I talk often with Charlie Green — author, speaker and consultant, and expert on the theme of trust in business relationships. His blog, Trust Matters, is a ready and regular source of wisdom.

We spoke at length this week, on a broad range of related subjects. Charlie has posted the interview as the latest in his series of Trust Quotes. Here are several excerpts:

CHG: What concerns do you have about the effectiveness of teaching about trust, ethics and governance in the business schools and universities?

JP: It’s my belief that much of the teaching is at best ineffective and at worst a misleading waste of time – although I am sensitive to the way this is received among my colleagues in academia. Jeff Skilling and Andy Fastow were celebrated as executives to be admired, and either one would have scored an A+ on any university-level course in ethics or governance.

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CHG: Both “doing good” and “doing well” are byproducts of a cultural devotion to doing business from a certain set of principles? Care to say something about what those principles look like?

JP: One of the finest defense lawyers I ever knew, the late Peter Fleming, had nothing but scorn for elaborate codes of behavior – governance, accounting principles, whatever. His guidance required one page: “Can you credibly defend this decision in front of a jury?”

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CHG: What can we reasonably expect from government by way of contribution to good corporate behavior?

JP: I’m a deep skeptic on the ability of regulators to either detect or to deter bad behavior. Not that oversight and enforcement are not necessary. But it seems to me pretty clear that the post-Enron imposition of Sarbanes/Oxley did not lead to an outbreak of virtue.

Look at the many examples over the last three years….Law enforcement is by nature always going to be reactive, behind the curve of the inevitable misbehavior of those who would burst the limits…It goes back in part to why societies evolve their laws and codes of behavior. People don’t become law-abiding because more laws are passed.

I invite you to the interview in its entirety. And Charlie and I would both welcome your reactions and comments.

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